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Assuming it's true, and you can also say it's a -- you have no knowledge of it, but a document saying -- and it was written by your predecessor, but saying that Iran discovered a program by the U.
And that in part, in response to that U. So, I suppose the first question then is, does that sound accurate to you?
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So, in the conduct of als intelligence, here's the specific framework that I want to make sure you use. These are the principles that I want you to be mindful of. And this is the legal kind of basis that we'll continue to use. So, that all remains applicable.
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And that, of course, goes back even further when we look at the Stuxnet virus. So, my comment would be escalation is not something that's unique to the domain of cyber.
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We've certainly seen the damage, and God knows not just Iran, countries such as China, that these attacks can cause.
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This is not something isolated. And I think our -- among our challenges as we move forward is, so, if cyber is going to be a fundamental component of the world we're living in and the crisises and the challenges we're trying to deal with, so how are we going to work our way through that? What we're trying to argue is, over time, if we can get to the idea of norms of behavior, if we can develop concepts of deterrence that lead us to collectively to get a sense, first of all, just how far can you go, what's aggressive, what's not aggressive, what starts to trip response thresholds?
You know, those are all questions of great interest, I would argue, for all us. It sounds like you're saying we've got a long way to go. You know, I don't think there's any doubt about.
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Can you identify a specific plot that without the bulk ph collection, we wouldn't have been able to have identified and stopped? Now, if you want to define value as, in and of itself, can you prove to me that without this, you wouldn't have forestalled an attack, if you didn't have this, you wouldn't have been able to forestall an attack.
The -- the criterion, I would argue, is if you use that, then it would argue things like, why do we maintain fingerprints as a government? If -- if you couldn't prove to me that collecting fingerprints in and of itself would forestall criminal activity, why would you do it?
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And should Congress decide as they look at -- because if no action is taken, the authority expires on the 31st of May, In which case, on the 1st of June, we would no longer be able to access this data in trying to generate insights and connections between activity overseas and potentially activity in the United States. Let's remember, that's what drove this in the first place. Hey, you guys should have had access to. You should have connected the dots.
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